Short Wave: The Inseparable Link Between Climate Change And Racial Justice

Marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson wrote a Washington Post op-ed about the ways the fight around climate change and racial justice go hand in hand.

Host Maddie Sofia talks with her about that and how Ayana says the fight against climate change could be stronger if people of color weren’t being constantly exhausted by racism.

Read Ayana’s op-ed here:

Follow Maddie (@maddie_sofia) and Ayana (@ayanaeliza) on Twitter. Email the show at

This episode was produced by Brit Hanson, fact-checked by Rebecca Ramirez and edited by Viet Le.


Short Wave Podcast

It’s science for everyone, using a lot of creativity and a little humor. Join host Maddie Sofia for science on a different wavelength.

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